Globetrotter,

The decs for the King George dont come through until tomorrow morning at 10am although I dont think the entries will change too much.

It certainly looks a top quality renewal. I would have loved to see Snow Fairy in this race with all the allowances she would get could have made her a certainty.

I think the likeliest winners are Harbinger or Youmzain. I dont rate the form of The Derby at all and think time will tell us that this years male classic crop are a far from vintage bunch.

Harbinger has done nothing but improve and is a typically slow developer trained by SMS. The only trouble with Harbinger is that Harry Herbert might keep up his appearances on television for another month! Hes on TV more than David Cameron at the moment!

Workforce was an impressive winner of the Derby. As Ive alluded to earlier on here I dont think it was a vintage renewal and also he benefitted from a superb ride from Ryan Moore at Epsom. He realised the pacemaker wasnt coming back to the field and kicked earlier whilst other jockeys were waiting for the leader to come back to them. As a lightly raced horse he should still be improving but I think he will have to and at his likely price has to be a lay.

Youmzain is a frustrating horse but if on a going day surely has too much class for these. This horse has finished second in 2 Arc De Triomphe's including last year when giving the weight for age to Sea The Stars and only losing by a couple of lengths.

I will post the decs when I get them tomorrow about 1005am.

So no O'Brien pacemaker and Colm chosen for Cape Blanco - interesting stuff...

Harbinger was absolutely outstanding and helped make it the most profitable race on the flat for me for a long time. Hope it signals a turnaround in form as Ive been badly out of form recently.

As for his actual victory on Saturday I think it is important that we dont get carried away. Yes he won 11 lengths and the performace on the face of it looked phenomenal but I think his victory proved the 3yo arent very good rather than Harbinger was brilliant. Until we see Harbinger against other top 4yo we cannot really judge. I disagree with a lot of people about the strength of the race having thought it to be a weak renewal prior to the race.

At the prices I would rather be with Fame and Glory in the Arc rather than Harbinger.

What a fantastic performance from Harbinger, with plenty left in the tank at the end too he looked top drawer and adapted to Group 1 company with ease.

I agree that he is far too short for the Arc, proving yet again that bookies antepost books are a total waste of time.

I would love to see him repeat that at Longchamp, which is not too dissimilar to Ascot - with maybe a prep race in France in the meantime.

I am really excited to see Harbinger v Fame and Glory, who looks a really decent 4 year old so far this season, the only concern is that we saw last year his mid season break didn't necessarily help him, with two disappointing performances in the Champion Stakes and last years Arc.

There are a few French horses not to be discounted either so it may be well worth a weekend visit to Paris in October?

Workforce won the Derby well, but I am not sure it was a top Derby quality wise. A rank outsider was second after all.

Harbinger then gets rated so high because he demolished a field with the highly rated Workforce in it.

I doubt that either horse is close to where Timeform has them at present. They may go in time and prove me wrong, but they are close to Sea The Stars on ratings, and are yet to do anything near what he did.

I can't believe they are ahead of the undefeated freak Yankee mare on ratings.