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Chaseit
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 12:24:37 PM
Billie Jean King


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Was having a yarn to some of my mates today about NRL players that came onto the scene then have just vanished into thin air.

I was thinking maybe we can put down some names of players that did that and we could also discuss how they would of went.

We need to keep the NRL boards alive in the offseason people!!

Ill go first..What happened to Leon Bott?? Remember that Brisbane broncos winger? He was a poly and was not that tall but i remmeber him playing for the broncos in 2005-2006 then just vanished!



diva
#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:19:39 PM
George Foreman


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Ewan McGrady. Won a Rothmans medal and hasnt been sited since

Leon Bott
He joined the Bulldogs during the 2007 pre-season on a train-and-trial basis but medical staff discovered his shoulder was not stable and he required reconstructive surgery. After going through extensive rehabilitation and one-on-one fitness sessions with Bulldogs trainers, he was signed with the Bulldogs until the end of the 2008 season

He switched back to rugby union, the code he grew up playing at school, to play for Manly RUFC in the 2009 Shute Shield season
diva
#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 1:01:14 AM
George Foreman


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Does anyone remember Greg Smith???

Greg Smith who had everyone at the Knights completely fooled into thinking he was a NFL star wanting a crack at NRL

The year was 1999 and the Newcastle Knights were well fancied going into the competition after their ARL Premiership victory in 1997 and their second-placed finish in the 1998 minor premiership. Hopes were high in the Hunter at the turn of the millennium. Andrew Johns was at his peak, the Knights had come of age and a league legend had rolled into town at high noon to take the reins of the team.

After Premiership winning coach Mal Reilly decided to head back to England after the 1998 season, the Knights bought in league visionary Warren Ryan. The Wok had won premierships with the Bulldogs in the mid-eighties and had taken Newtown and Balmain to deciders throughout the decade. His last appointment was with Western Suburbs, where he took the fledgling team to the semi-finals in 1991 and 1992 before retiring to a life in broadcasting after the 1994 season. Four seasons out of the game is a lifetime but that didn’t stop the Knights brass bringing in Ryan: they believed he was a coaching icon that remained at the cutting edge of rugby league thinking.

The Newcastle hierarchy were partially right and a hell of a lot wrong. Ryan had somehow jumped the fine line from visionary to stubborn eccentric throughout his wilderness years. The game changed markedly in the five year period the Wok was in the booth, possibly more than in any other period, and many of the subtleties of modern day rugby league had simply passed Ryan by.

The Wok did have one coaching gig in between the Wests and Newcastle positions, however, and that job was critical to how Greg Smith came to be playing for the Newcastle Knights on that fateful March Sunday back in 1999.

In 1997, at the height of the Super League War, the ARL played host to the annual World Sevens tournament. Bernie Gross, QC and an avid rugby league supporter, bought a team of arena football-quality gridiron players out to represent the USA. The team, known as the Tomahawks, was captained by former Dragons player David Niu and was coached by none other than Warren Ryan.

Though the Tomahawks lost to both Italy and Illawarra and only just snuck home against Japan, Ryan became enchanted by the athleticism of the American players. The Wok was romanced, partly by the athleticism of some of the Tomahawk players but primarily by the notion of blazing a new trail for the rugby league world to pay homage. Ryan still had the desire to forge new territory for rugby league and the trail he intended to blaze was through America.

The experiment had been tried once before, back in 1977, when former Oakland Raider Manfred Moore was recruited by the Newtown Jets. Moore played four games for the Jets that year and was a carnival act before flying home, the brutality of the sport reportedly too much for the running back to handle.

It wasn’t so much the hardness of rugby league that stopped Greg Smith in his tracks. It was more his defensive ineptitude and his flipper-like ball handling, along with the lies that got him to the big dance in the first place, that saw Smith consigned to the footnotes of rugby league history as a one-game wonder.

With Ryan interested in signing an American player to the Knights once he landed the job, the management of Smith pushed hard. Smith and his management claimed that he had spent two seasons playing for the Philadelphia Eagles in the NFL. This was later revealed to be a total fabrication by Newcastle journalist Barry Toohey who, upon making some enquiries amongst the Philadelphia pressmen, discovered that Smith had never played pro ball.

Smith, however, was fast, as speedy as a bag-snatcher and combined with his athletic appearance, he had everyone at Newcastle fooled. They didn’t check into Smith’s claims that he had played in the NFL, blindly accepting his word as gospel. While the internet was admittedly in its infancy in 1999 and rugby league had only just entered the era of full-blown professionalism thanks to Super League, Smith’s signing said plenty about the Knights and Warren Ryan in that summer of ‘98/’99: Newcastle were still stuck in amateur hour at the Apollo while Ryan was out-of-touch with modern practices and technology and tended to be more focussed on his legacy than in the long-term fortunes of the Newcastle Knights.

Throughout the pre-season, with very little actual game simulation, Smith’s speed and athletic build blinded the coaching staff. Even after the pre-season trials, Smith’s lack of rugby league competence still hadn’t been exposed. “He went alright in the trials” Ryan said in 2007, with all the vagueness of someone who probably never saw a minute of Smith throughout those practice matches.

Newcastle started the season with a big 41-18 win over Manly before going down to Parramatta 18-8 in round two. The Knights were, however, hurting through injury, particularly in the three-quarter line with Darren Albert, Adam MacDougall and Matt Gidley all unavailable for selection in week three. After the loss to Parramatta, in which winger Lenny Beckett had a rough night out, Ryan said that “I’ll be having a look at the tapes and [will] have a real good look at the reserve grade. Greg Smith went very well and so did winger Shane Laloata and centre Timana Tahu.”
Ryan opted to go with “former NFL star” Greg Smith to make his NRL debut. Timana Tahu, who would go on to become a dual international and play eleven Origin matches for New South Wales, was left in reserve grade and would not make his first grade debut until round twelve that season.

The Knights would take on Canterbury in round three in what was set to be a monster clash at the newly opened Stadium Australia after Newcastle were eliminated by the Bulldogs in extra-time in the first of the 1998 preliminary finals. 26,341 punters showed up on a delightfully sunny March Sunday to watch the two powerhouse teams clash.

Newcastle were led by Andrew Johns with brother Matthew in the six jersey, Tony Butterfield with the ‘c’ next to his name and future Origin players Mark “Boozy” Hughes and Jason Moodie in the backline. The Bulldogs forward pack was big and brutal with Darren Britt, Steve Price and Darren Smith all lining up. Also singing in the blue and white were Ricky Stuart and Bradley Clyde, the Raiders stalwarts playing their third game for the Bulldogs since being cut by Canberra due to salary cap constraints. The debutant winger for Newcastle, Greg Smith, was largely overlooked in the hype.

Newcastle exploded from the blocks and led 18-4 at the break and extended that lead gap to 24-4 shortly after half-time. Andrew Johns was tearing the Bulldogs apart, scoring a try himself and having a hand in the other three. The Knights were set for a big road victory against a highly fancied premiership contender.

And then came Greg Smith, who turned in possibly the worst five minutes in rugby league history. It all started with a bomb to his wing. Smith looked on clueless. The Bulldogs ran in two further tries on Smith’s wing in the next few minutes with the Sydney Morning Herald stating that “dreadful is a word that struggles to convey Smith’s ineptitude”. His ball handling was that of a blind four-year old girl born without arms. His defence was “dreadful”, in the words of Warren Ryan. His ability under the bomb was laughable. Smith displayed the same kind of awkwardness exhibited when you walk into a swinger’s party only to see your best friend and his wife enjoying the festivities with two other men, a woman and a ball-gag. Or so I would imagine, based on the tales of a Richmond publican who is familiar with all kinds of scenes and regaled the bar with weird and amusing tales last Wednesday evening.

The Bulldogs peppered Smith for the remainder of the half and secured a 28-26 victory. Even Steven Hughes scored a try.

In the days following the match, the vinegar was put on Smith. The experiment was rated a spectacular failure by all and sundry. Smith’s deception was soon revealed. Ryan’s legacy was forever stained with the bizarre tale of Greg Smith.

As for Smith, he never played another NRL game again. To save further
public humiliation, Newcastle kept him on the books until mid-season at which point they banished him. He went on to play a season of Metropolitan Cup with Wests before returning to the United States to play in the AMNRL.

No NRL team has since fielded an American, be it a former NFL player or a con artist masquerading as one.

The tale of Greg Smith certainly is a bizarre one and one of the more interesting footnotes of modern day rugby league. It is more than just a tale of a lying and inept American who dreamed of playing big time sports or the gullible fools who bought his story. It was a tale about the opportunity of rugby league, of the progress in professionalism that can be made in a decade, of changing times, of legacies and the inherent dangers associated with those who try to manufacture them, of how the strangest little things can sometimes be unforgettable

I actually travelled down to this game, with a car load of Knights fans, i was copping it at half time..... needless to say i was giving them a spraying come full timeChuckle
diva
#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 1:05:38 AM
George Foreman


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North Sydney Bears halfback Jason Martin
Chaseit
#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:55:21 AM
Billie Jean King


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I remember Smith aye! Let me just add,After reading that article Diva it is fucking hilarious Chuckle "

Hahhaha Jason Martin, All i remember is him playing for the bears and having a singing career lol

Edit in bold



jujuno
#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:44:30 AM
Zinedine Zidane


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I remember Ewen O'Grady though I'm having trouble putting a face to the name...

Smith I'm blank about...interesting article...

at that time I was pre-occupied with a certain team being kicked out of the league...couldn't have cared less about Greg Smith....

Were either of you old enough to remember David Sinclair? Souths half-back at same time as Rocky Laurie was 5/8th...brilliant player, very like Steve Mortimer...Jack Gibson came to Souths and ruined his career...never forgiven him for that...

and Paul Allende...tall, brilliant centre who also played basketball...basketball got him...

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diva
#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:01:16 PM
George Foreman


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beyond my memory Jujuno
Chaseit
#8 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 2:12:14 AM
Billie Jean King


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I thought Mullen for the knights was going down the same path but he is not going anywhere! IMO he is the future for the NSW origin squad.



Chaseit
#9 Posted : Monday, January 10, 2011 12:39:52 PM
Billie Jean King


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In the lead up to the NRL this season each day or every 2nd day i will post a player on here and copy and paste the "post-retirement" or if they arnt there latest news article that i find in wikipedia about the player, or if they dont have one, We can try and find out what happened.

We can have a bit of chin-wag about them and just fill the void before the season starts.


1st one is John Buttigieg



Remember this big boy?

Quote:
Buttigieg was a prop for the National Rugby League club North Queensland Cowboys, winning the "Players' Player" award for North Queensland in 1999. He earned Rugby League State of Origin representative honours in 2001 and 2002 for Queensland. He is now currently coach of the Mount Isa Bulls in the MIRL and NOEL competitions.


I remember the papers when he made the origin squad for us back then. Back page was titled "Whats a Buttigieg?" Chuckle




Chaseit
#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:51:29 PM
Billie Jean King


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Wednesdays Player is..

Rod Silva




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He initially played football for the Sydney Roosters from 1988 - 1995. In 1995, In the middle of the season of that year Silva joined the Canterbury Bulldogs and took their troubled fullback position, ultimately scoring the final try in the Bulldogs grand final win against Manly that year.

Silva retired from professional Rugby League in 2001. It has been remarked that he is the last of the pedigree of NRL players that also worked as Police Officers.




Chaseit
#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:52:33 PM
Billie Jean King


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Jesus..A bulldogs player working as a copper?? Hahah, Thought you lot were on the other side of the fence!



Chaseit
#12 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 5:36:42 AM
Billie Jean King


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Fridays Player is Daniel Wagon



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He previously played for the St. George Dragons and Parramatta Eels in the National Rugby League where he started his career out in the centres before moving to the back row.

He joined French rugby leagues Elite One Championship for the 2009 season where he played for the Limoux Grizzlies.[1] He finished playing in France at the beginning of April.

He has been confirmed as one of the players to launch the NRLUS rugby league competition in the United States in July 2010.He has joined the Aston Bulls in the AMNRL, making him the highest profile player in the AMNRL. He is due to arrive in May to begin training with the club in preparation for their first match for the Philadelphia Fight




jujuno
#13 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 6:38:34 AM
Zinedine Zidane


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Remember Silva and "Felloffhis" Wagon well...

Silva was quite an exciting fullback...



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Cold Dog
#14 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 8:21:34 AM
Barack Obama


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Chaseit wrote:
Was having a yarn to some of my mates today about NRL players that came onto the scene then have just vanished into thin air.


Get some of these guys onto the forum! We could do with some more rugby fans.
NoahKnowsBest
#15 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 12:19:02 PM
Jean Louis Ravello


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Cold Dog wrote:
Chaseit wrote:
Was having a yarn to some of my mates today about NRL players that came onto the scene then have just vanished into thin air.


Get some of these guys onto the forum! We could do with some more rugby fans.


Righto! I'm here, Chase gave me the heads up about this forum so lets see what he's got. I see his NBA record is shithouse already Chuckle
jujuno
#16 Posted : Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:04:30 AM
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like all his comp results...

bout time you won something Chase...(and don't take credit for the Draggins...they played, you didn't)

Chuckle Chuckle Chuckle

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diva
#17 Posted : Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:11:47 AM
George Foreman


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WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS PLAYER????

LAST SEEN INTIMIDATING A HALF BACK





















































jujuno
#18 Posted : Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:00:10 PM
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was that imitating or intimidating???

Dunno

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diva
#19 Posted : Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:07:24 PM
George Foreman


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im playing the smiddy spell check game.... Chuckle nah its imitating
Chaseit
#20 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:56:15 AM
Billie Jean King


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Smartarse! GUN!!!!!!!!



Chaseit
#21 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:57:07 AM
Billie Jean King


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NoahKnowsBest wrote:
Cold Dog wrote:
Chaseit wrote:
Was having a yarn to some of my mates today about NRL players that came onto the scene then have just vanished into thin air.


Get some of these guys onto the forum! We could do with some more rugby fans.


Righto! I'm here, Chase gave me the heads up about this forum so lets see what he's got. I see his NBA record is shithouse already Chuckle


Your on! Lets see what ya got u rig!



NoahKnowsBest
#22 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:47:05 AM
Jean Louis Ravello


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Chaseit wrote:
NoahKnowsBest wrote:
Cold Dog wrote:
Chaseit wrote:
Was having a yarn to some of my mates today about NRL players that came onto the scene then have just vanished into thin air.


Get some of these guys onto the forum! We could do with some more rugby fans.


Righto! I'm here, Chase gave me the heads up about this forum so lets see what he's got. I see his NBA record is shithouse already Chuckle


Your on! Lets see what ya got u rig!


Chuckle

Soward? joke!

Diva, Im guessing your a doggies boy? Nice form, They need to lift big time this year!

Carn the tigs!
jujuno
#23 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:20:25 AM
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so we know your colours..

more variety..

we now have 1 dragon, 1 sea-eagle (saintly), 1 bulldog,1 tiger, 2 roosters and 1 masochist bunny...

anyone else out there?





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diva
#24 Posted : Monday, January 17, 2011 9:49:26 AM
George Foreman


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dont worry about the doggies noah.... we will be biting back this year, a new decade means a new premiership.

ol chooksy has gone quiet... must be expecting a come down from last yearChuckle
NoahKnowsBest
#25 Posted : Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:19:39 AM
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Hahaha, Yeah mate. Dogs should go well this year. They would have too! Signed everyman and his dog to there roster! Had a sneaky punt on the dogs to win the premiership last week also so see how that goes.

Jujuno, A bunnies supporter? How depressing... Chuckle
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