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Eric Heiden  Joined: 9/24/2005 Posts: 2,902 Location: Hawaii  
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Man oh man I cannot wait for this main event! I've been excited for many fights in the past... but watching Jon "Bones" Jones fight is an unreal experience. I'll go over the two fights WBX has listed first then later come back with more undercard fights as they appear on site.  Marquardt vs. Akiyama - Match OddsI do not see any way that Akiyama can beat Marquardt. Maybe if the fight took place a few years ago he'd definitely hold his own, but at this point, the move to the US will only tarnish his image. Marquardt is better in every facet of the game and I really do not think Akiyama has any chance at winning this. I won't bet on Marquardt to beat Akiyama as a straight bet... but I'll likely make it part of a three fighter parlay to try to get some + money.  Rua vs. Jones - Match OddsPlain and simple, though I feel that Jones should have been pushed through the ranks faster, now is the perfect time for him to have his title shot. This guy is truly the real deal. He is strong in every aspect of fighting in the cage. He is ridiculously strong, has excellent striking with his hands, feet, knees and elbows with KO power in all, great takedown defense, great at takedowns, great at controlling his opponent and his ground and pound is phenomenal. It's not often that you find the champion with longer odds than the challenger, but the oddsmakers know whats up. Jon Jones will fuck Shogun Rua up badly. Shogun has excellent striking, big time KO power and a superb ground game with a black belt in brazilian jiujitsu. He could likely beat any of the lightheavys handily... but Jones is a different animal. Most thought that his fight against Ryan Bader would show some weaknesses as Bader is an excellent up and coming fighter in his own right. Bader is a former all american wrestler in college, can take opponents down at will and has extremely heavy hands with big KO power. If anyone saw the match, they know what's up... Jones absolutely dominated Bader. Bader is considered one of the best wrestlers in MMA, especially at the light heavyweight level, however whenever he went for a takedown, Bones just tossed him to the side, literally threw the bastard to the side! Bones Jones is a freak of nature and he will absolutely tear Shogun a new one. I'm extremely confident in this pick. Once more fights become available I will put a multi together. I'll be putting Marquardt, Jones and another fighter... maybe two... for a 3/4 option multi. Anyone think otherwise in regards to these fights. I really think these are straightforward and barring any unforseen injuries, both picks will hit.
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Barack Obama  Joined: 9/20/2005 Posts: 16,516
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Hammer I have to agree with you. There is no way that Shogun can beat Jones. $1.54 is buying money. Anyone who plonks down their hard earned on Shogun thinking "How can the current champ be better than even money" will be kicking themselves the moment the fighters walk out and they realise Shogun is peewee Herman in comparison.
Jones by annihilation.
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Arnold Palmer Joined: 12/14/2006 Posts: 14,306 Location: perth
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Cold Dog wrote:Hammer I have to agree with you. There is no way that Shogun can beat Jones. $1.54 is buying money. Anyone who plonks down their hard earned on Shogun thinking "How can the current champ be better than even money" will be kicking themselves the moment the fighters walk out and they realise Shogun is peewee Herman in comparison.
Jones by annihilation. shogun has pannels on bader i dont think it will be an annihilation but you are right jones should win  dont hate the player hate the game
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Eric Heiden Joined: 9/24/2005 Posts: 2,902 Location: Hawaii
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smiddy197 wrote:Cold Dog wrote:Hammer I have to agree with you. There is no way that Shogun can beat Jones. $1.54 is buying money. Anyone who plonks down their hard earned on Shogun thinking "How can the current champ be better than even money" will be kicking themselves the moment the fighters walk out and they realise Shogun is peewee Herman in comparison.
Jones by annihilation. shogun has pannels on bader i dont think it will be an annihilation but you are right jones should win Shogun is worlds better than Bader, definitely... but how will Shogun beat Jones? Doesn't help that he only has a month to prepare for Bones. Annihilation is possible.
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Brian Lara  Joined: 9/24/2005 Posts: 3,368 Location: Australia
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Hammer wrote:smiddy197 wrote:Cold Dog wrote:Hammer I have to agree with you. There is no way that Shogun can beat Jones. $1.54 is buying money. Anyone who plonks down their hard earned on Shogun thinking "How can the current champ be better than even money" will be kicking themselves the moment the fighters walk out and they realise Shogun is peewee Herman in comparison.
Jones by annihilation. shogun has pannels on bader i dont think it will be an annihilation but you are right jones should win Shogun is worlds better than Bader, definitely... but how will Shogun beat Jones? Doesn't help that he only has a month to prepare for Bones. Annihilation is possible. That works both ways though... Plus Jones just fought so Rua will be more rested Im not as confident Jones will beat down on Rua - hes the champ for a reason - after seeing Jones destroy Bader and throw him around like a rag doll, I wouldnt be confident betting against him either  This is going to be an epic fight 
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Al Oerter  Joined: 1/16/2006 Posts: 3,113 Location: Right Behind You!
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I also think Bones tears through Rua but wanted to find an opposing view to see if it made me think twice, found the article below, but it hasnt changed my mind at all, Jones isnt just on another planet, hes in another universe!!! I think the Bones Era starts in 10 days and he probably breaks all kinds of UFC records. The only guy who i think can trouble him in the future is Phil Davis who doesnt have his kind of talent but is a genetic freak. I cannot wait for Bones to collect his crown!!! Quote:This is interesting—Jon “Bones” Jones (12-1) ready for a title shot at this stage of his career? Actually the story behind this matchup plays out like this—following Jones' victory over Ryan Bader at UFC 126: Silva vs Belfort, it was announced that Rashad Evans injured his knee during training.
He needed to be replaced in the upcoming main event fight against Mauricio “Shogun” Rua (19-4) for the Light Heavyweight Championship crown and Jones was asked—he accepted and now the fight is set.
Despite being touted by Dana White as being a top eight light heavyweight fighter and by Sherdog as the number five light heavyweight fighter in the world, does Jones really compare to the big boys and is he really ready for a shot at the title?
Personally I think he is not.
Though Jones may be quicker in the stand up, Rua is by far more experienced and technical when it comes to striking. Not only is Rua the superior when it comes to striking, he is also a master in the counter strike and has taken fighters with this alone. In biding his time against Lyoto Machida at UFC 113: Machida vs. Shogun 2, Rua was able to KO the most elusive striker in the division. His patience and timing also paid off against Chuck Liddell at UFC 97: Redemption, where he also took this one and with Knockout of the Night honours.
We must remember that Rua started his MMA career with Chute Boxe and at a time when Wanderlei Silva and Anderson Silva were also members of that camp. Essentially Rua was mentored by some of the most feared strikers in MMA history and has gone on to take some of the best strikers in the game—Chuck Liddell, Lyoto Machida, Quinton Jackson, Evangelista Santos and Alistair Overeem twice—at PRIDE 33: Second Coming and PRIDE Final Conflict 2005 as well as world class K1 caliber striker Cyrille Diabate.
Though Jones may have quick hands his strikes tend to be raw and he has yet to be tested against a top level Muay Thai fighter and world class striker such as Rua. His punches and elbows are wild and are at odd angles which work against fighters with less experience but not against high level strikers such as Rua.
If Rua was not led astray by Machida’s tricks it is unlikely Jones will be able to draw him into a wild striking battle. Though Jones may have had five KOs in his first six mixed martial arts fights he has only managed to win three in his seven UFC appearances—though he may look great against the average fighter this is not the case against the big boys.
One thing that perhaps Jones has to his advantage is wrestling. He has a long wiry frame and is very fast and aggressive and can really shoot in for the take down points. However, Rua a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt and is quite good on the ground—not to mention more technical. Rua has a very good top and bottom game and is very mobile for a light heavyweight. He is not afraid to pull guard and attack for omapltas and leg locks, of which he is quite proficient in.
Bottom Line: Experience is the biggest factor in this fight. Rua begun his training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu at the age of six and Muay Thai at seven and eventually achieved a 10–0 in Muay Thai competitions, not to mention he was also very successful whist participating in BJJ contests at the blue and purple belt level.
He currently trains in wrestling and western boxing so in reality, he has spent his entire life training for the MMA venue in one form or another. Jones on the other hand is relatively new to martial arts and the MMA game and though he has pure raw talent and maybe a champion one day, today is not his day—especially when cage warriors such as Rua can still hold their ground and then some.
I like the UFC betting odds for this fight—at -225 the value is still good enough for a bet. Rua is going to push Jones in this fight and make him work harder than he has ever before.
He is more technical than Jones in the stand up and is more dynamic and methodological on the ground. Look for Jones to attempt to shoot in only to be KO’ed by Rua with the knee.
Look for Shogun to KO Jones in the Third Round http://www.fighting-mma....ricio-rua-jon-jones.php
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Barack Obama Joined: 9/20/2005 Posts: 16,516
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Watch Jones in his MMA debut murder some guy. As BJ said, the Jones era starts in 10 days.
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Barack Obama Joined: 9/20/2005 Posts: 16,516
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Akiyama has pulled out due to the earthquakes. I think that chumpy Dan Miller has replaced him.
Looking forward to seeing Faber make his UFC debut, he will surely be a star in the big leagues!
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Eric Heiden Joined: 9/24/2005 Posts: 2,902 Location: Hawaii
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RudeNuT wrote:Hammer wrote:smiddy197 wrote:Cold Dog wrote:Hammer I have to agree with you. There is no way that Shogun can beat Jones. $1.54 is buying money. Anyone who plonks down their hard earned on Shogun thinking "How can the current champ be better than even money" will be kicking themselves the moment the fighters walk out and they realise Shogun is peewee Herman in comparison.
Jones by annihilation. shogun has pannels on bader i dont think it will be an annihilation but you are right jones should win Shogun is worlds better than Bader, definitely... but how will Shogun beat Jones? Doesn't help that he only has a month to prepare for Bones. Annihilation is possible. That works both ways though... Plus Jones just fought so Rua will be more rested Im not as confident Jones will beat down on Rua - hes the champ for a reason - after seeing Jones destroy Bader and throw him around like a rag doll, I wouldnt be confident betting against him either This is going to be an epic fight While I agree that Jones just fought... if you think about it... he didn't get hurt at all and hardly had to expend any energy to beat Bader. They have equal time to figure out a game plan to beat one another, however I just don't see it boding well for Rua. I'd love for it to be a good fight... I'm paying for the damn PPV ffs LOL! So here's to both fighters coming in prepared and making it a truly historic battle.
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Al Oerter Joined: 1/16/2006 Posts: 3,113 Location: Right Behind You!
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I think it could well be historic in the sense that Bones will be the first guy ever to break Shogun's face in half with his elbows... Don't hate, appreciate...
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Arnold Palmer Joined: 12/14/2006 Posts: 14,306 Location: perth
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Blue Jay wrote:I think it could well be historic in the sense that Bones will be the first guy ever to break Shogun's face in half with his elbows... if he gets a chance to dont hate the player hate the game
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Eric Heiden Joined: 9/24/2005 Posts: 2,902 Location: Hawaii
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Okay onto the undercard! I have a few with some great value that you all should look into. I will have to update the Marquardt fight prediction as he is now fighting Miller. Here we go!  Wineland vs. Faber - Match OddsUrijah Faber's UFC debut is not an easy no matter what the odds say. Faber had a dominating victory over Takeya Mizugaki in his last fight, his first at 135. His reason for dropping weight? He would never win the 145 lb title again. He got thoroughly dominated by Mike Brown twice and smashed to bits by the man who beat the shit out of Mike Brown, Jose Aldo. That does a lot to a fighter's confidence being beat like that a number of times and maybe the drop in weight helps, but man... going up against Eddie Wineland I don't think Faber will come out with the win. I see HUGE value in Wineland in this spot. He has run off 4 straight victories, two against high quality opponents in Manny Tapia and George Roop. He is literally on a roll and his confidence is at an all time high. He's not as accurate a striker as Faber is, nor is he as good a wrestler, but he has a lot of power in his hands, a brawler, and is extremely scrappy both on his feet and on the ground. He will definitely bring the fight to Faber and I can see him grinding out a win in a decision... though he could get knocked flat on his ass by a Faber backhand or elbow. But I'm on Wineland for a unit. The value is certainly there for it.  Barboza vs. Njokuani - Match OddsThese are the two of the tallest lightweights in the UFC with Barboza standing at 5'11" and Njokuani at 6'. I see no real value with Njokuani at all... Barboza is going to tear him a new one I guarantee it. Barboza in my opinion is the future of the lightweight division. He is tall, long, has great jiujitsu and easily the most exciting striking ability in the weight division. He is comparable to a Jose Aldo, though I am unsure as to whether he is as accurate a striker, he is definitely one who catches people off guard with his supreme quickness and athleticism. I'm betting on Barboza on a parlay with Jon Jones and Nate Marquardt most definitely here! Mark my words... he WILL finish Njokuani!  Marquardt vs. Miller - Match OddsSince Akiyama had to bow out with an injury, I am going to have a redo... but a short one because the fight will end the same way it would have with Akiyama... Marquardt will dominate Miller from the getgo and not let up. Dan Miller is not a shit fighter, he's just not in the top tier of the division. I give him props for taking the fight on short notice... but the fight might be short too. LOL  Filipovic vs. Schaub - Match OddsI definitely want to bet on Crocop in this situation. He's declining and going down quickly... however Brendan Schaub, a pretty good young light heavyweight, is going down. I really think Crocop has enough left in the tank and enough savvy to come up with one last KO by head kick. This is a total gut pick, but I really feel Crocop somehow wins this fight! Good value for me... though I'm sure 90% of the public may think otherwise!
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Barack Obama Joined: 9/20/2005 Posts: 16,516
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I'm going with a double - Jim Miller into Barboza - I think it's a very nice little payer at around $2.50. I echo your thoughts about Barboza and also think Miller is going to get the job done - he's fighting at home, will be pumped, and frankly his opponent is weaker than his last one (Charles Oliveira).
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Al Oerter Joined: 1/16/2006 Posts: 3,113 Location: Right Behind You!
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Spreading the chips around: Barboza, Benavidez, Jim Miller, Schaub, Nate the Great, Bones Jones - 1 unit @ 6/1 Catone, Benavidez, Barboza - 1 unit @ 2.45 Jim Miller, Nate the Great, Bones Jones - 1 unit @ 2/1 Benavidez to win by submission - 1 unit @ evens Nate the Great - KO of the Night - 1/3 unit @ 16/1 Catone - KO of the Night - 1/4 unit @ 25/1 Don't hate, appreciate...
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Eric Heiden Joined: 9/24/2005 Posts: 2,902 Location: Hawaii
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HOOOOLLLLLLLYYYYYY SHIIIIITTTT!!! I have never seen a more dominant fighter than Jon Bones Jones. This is no joke, I am not just saying this. I've been watching MMA since 1999 and I have never seen a fighter like this guy. He basically made Shogun Rua look like a fucking amateur. I mean he tossed him around like a rag doll and beat the shit out of him. Standing, on the ground, in every way possible Shogun got fucked like Jenna Jameson. It was really unbelievable the talent this guy has and I can't imagine how long he'll hold onto the title as he is only 23 years old. Shogun is a fucking beast, there are no words to describe Jones.
The rest of the card was pretty much shit if you ask me outside of the main event and the Jim Miller v. Shalorus. Jim Miller showed some truly outstanding stand up and crushed the shit out of Shalorus who I thought would have put up a better fight.
The Crocop fight was good up until Schaub jacked him in the grill. Crocop was doing plenty of damage and showed why it was good value to bet on him. Schaub was getting owned in close quarters as Crocop kept nailing him with short elbows, but he got caught and that was that.
By far the most disappointing fight was the Barboza fight. I don't care what the announcers said about Njokuani's changing of pace in the 2nd round, Barboza showed late in the third that if he had been more aggressive, he could have easily ended the fight. I'll give Njokuani some credit though, he has some fucking great hands. Both fighters have good jaws as they each exchange some massive blows. Barboza got lucky with the win however as I saw it as a draw. Barboza won the first, Njokuani won the second, and the third was a toss up as both fighters scored points and it was fairly even. I think Barboza's barrage at the end helped seal the win however. He landed a huge headkick but didn't follow up which was odd. If he wants to be the champ, he needs to find the killer instinct.
Another ok fight not part of the main card was Luis Cane v Eliot Marshall. Man is Cane back! Talk about domination with his hands, he totally took out Eliot Marshall who had a good run going winning his last three before getting pummeled by Cane.
Most fights were boring draws... the Marquardt v Miller fight was particularly depressing as I literally decided to floss my teeth instead of watching. I think I made a good choice as Marquardt was the easy choice for the victor.
All in all, a shitty card in my opinion, however the crowning of Jones as the youngest champion in UFC history as well as how he got the belt is seared into my memory. That fight alone brought the card up from a 5 out of 10 to a 6.5-7 out of 10.
Thoughts?
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Arnold Palmer Joined: 12/14/2006 Posts: 14,306 Location: perth
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that was awesome wtf was with shogun he doesnt normally fight like that he was gased at the start of the second round it was all over after that he will smash rashard evans but who will have a hope of beating him after that? dont hate the player hate the game
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Edwin Moses  Joined: 12/12/2006 Posts: 2,899 Location: Melbourne, AUS
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Barack Obama Joined: 9/20/2005 Posts: 16,516
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I won my double, so I'm happy with that although I believe Barboza probably should have lost that fight - lets face it the judges and the UFC gifted him that win. It was a bit dodgy and clearly they were protecting their young undefeated fighter.
Shogun was mercilessly beaten as most of us expected. Frankly, and I'm not making excuses for him, he looked pretty out of shape for this fight. He still would have lost but I don't think it would have been quite the clinic that it was.
So who can beat Jones? Well... how about no one. This guy is going to be undefeated for a very long time. Many fractured eye-sockets to come. What a beast! He might well be the meanest fucker on the planet since Mike Tyson.
I agree with you Hammer, the rest of the card was fairly weak. And Mirko - please retire!
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Barack Obama Joined: 9/20/2005 Posts: 16,516
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Blue Jay wrote:
Barboza, Benavidez, Jim Miller, Schaub, Nate the Great, Bones Jones - 1 unit @ 6/1
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Barack Obama Joined: 9/20/2005 Posts: 16,516
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How many oribitals is that for Jones now? 
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Al Oerter Joined: 1/16/2006 Posts: 3,113 Location: Right Behind You!
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Jon Jones has no ceiling. If hes not already the biggest star in MMA EVER then he will be soon. That performance was breath takingly explosive, dynamic and dominant. Nobody (apart from Bisping) can challenge him for the foreseeable future and the bravest man in the world last night was Rashad Evans to agree to face him next. Jones is just too big at light heavy for all of the other fighters and im pretty sure we wont be getting 1.60 for Jon Jones again for a long time. That was a great betting card last night for the vast majority of mma gamblers since so many fancied favs obliged. I loved every fight including Nate vs Miller since i guess its true what they say, it matters more when there's money on it! Well done to everyone who cashed in!  Don't hate, appreciate...
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Brian Lara Joined: 9/24/2005 Posts: 3,368 Location: Australia
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for a championship fight, that was one hell of a beatdown! Absolutely brutal.. he will hold the belt for ages. Who else can go with that freak?
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Arnold Palmer Joined: 12/14/2006 Posts: 14,306 Location: perth
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jones already isnt undefeated he isnt the biggest star in mma ever not even close he has the potential to be but cmon please shogun looked shocking and no wonder he was gased by start of round 2 cant see anyone getting to close to him in the near future dont hate the player hate the game
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Barack Obama Joined: 9/20/2005 Posts: 16,516
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Have you seen Jones' fights? He has smashed every opponent. He hospitalised Vera, Hamill and Shogun. Hamill is the only person who "beat" him and that was because he was beaten unconscious by (illegal) downward elbows.
Jones is easily the biggest star in MMA.
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Barack Obama Joined: 9/20/2005 Posts: 16,516
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RudeNuT wrote:for a championship fight, that was one hell of a beatdown! Absolutely brutal.. he will hold the belt for ages. Who else can go with that freak? There's talk of a Jones - Silva fight already. I assume that Silva would come up to 205, he has done it successfully before. But let's be real, would Silva really want to risk his legacy against this guy? It's one thing to risk being wrestlefucked by GSP. It's quite another to risk having your jaw broken and face rearranged by some freak with giant elbows. I can't see this fight happening! And Rashard Evans - this fight makes me lol.
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